Unfortunately I personally don't care about 90% of the things on the list but miss the point "improving the Delphi language".
Imo that is one of the strong points of other languages that the Devs actually try to improve the language itself rather than building tons of components ontop of it. Because one day everyone will realize that the "I'm stuck in the 90s" diehards that don't need all the new language features will be retired and young people wonder why they have to write 10 lines of code to do something simple that is a clear one liner in other languages (and I am not talking about building games with FMX)
Fun fact: Just yesterday I was reading some comments from Nick Hodges from 2008 on SO where he was "bragging" about the fact they are holding the patent on class helpers. Well too bad they made almost nothing out of that (compared to C#).
I think that besides massive bug fixing & stability improvements, Emb should focus more on optimizing the compiled code in terms of speed and implementing the support for powerful parallel computing. I hoped these were coming in 2014 (XE7 at least), it appears not...unfortunately.
Even though we have anonymous methods in Delphi, it would be nicer if they could've added lambda expressions as well. Adding LINQ would be pretty cool too.
I'd love to see a better compiler as well. As long as I can syntax check as quickly as before, I'd be happy to wait for the build. Rtti tools for sets would be great. On mobile - posting more later.
Claudiu BARSAN-PIPU as far as I understand QPS (Quality, Performance, Stability), they would optimize. I wonder what is meant by "future version of desktop Windows that will be announced in 2014". AFAIK, no Windows versions either Desktop or Server is being cooked for 2014.
Ilya S With rumors about "Windows 9" (Projectname: Threshold) release in 2015 (not so much rumor actually if you look at the Microsoft product roadmap) there will be some announcements this year for sure.
Ilya S I do hope you are right and that they will actually stick to their QPS promise, but I have some doubts that they will make significant improvements on the Performance side... I sincerely wish that XE6 (or at least XE7) will prove me wrong on that, tust me, I really do.
my feeling: like when you open a programming book and the real fun stuff is on the appendices, the roadmap's "after 2014" items are way more desirable than the 2014 stuff...
For me the main point of interest is, "A complete and simplified parallel computing library, to take advantage of modern multi-core CPUs more easily". I had hoped this would be part of XE6 - looks more like XE7 / 8.
All the rest is interesting but of no immediate value.
Lars Fosdal Embarcadering (verb): The assimilation of 3rd party libraries while breaking them, often accompanied by dropping backwards compatibility and maintenance/support contracts :p
But to be fair and serious: while we all like components and stuff to play with - please leave that to 3rd party component vendors and focus on things that cannot be done by others (i.e compiler, runtime, IDE). Let people help you that have knowledge of these things, they are not your enemies, they are happy to help improving the product.
The most interesting promise is the new parallel computing library (are they going to buy OmniThreadLibrary, I wonder?) And still no mention of Linux desktop support :-(
Windows Phone is interesting, they had previously stated they weren't interested in that. Perhaps the decline of the Blackberry has shifted focus a bit. It's doing pretty well in the UK, be interesting to know more about that.
Where is the BiDi support for FireMonkey desktop and mobile?
I think it could be on "Several run time library (RTL) improvements, implemented for all platforms and involving areas like XML processing, JSON processing, among others" section. Is it correct?
Stefan Glienke anyway new Windows versions support is currently in "After 2014" Embarcadero roadmap blob. Claudiu BARSAN-PIPU I share your hopes in improvements of performance and easy-to-use parallel computing sides.
Stefan Glienke I did, of course, announcement is first, release next, and support is next next thing under no obligation :) Bill Meyer A feature of what edition I'd ask :)
No mention of x86 Android.
ReplyDeleteBluetooth for android? solved that already :-P
ReplyDeleteactually, Lars Fosdal you can see "Android for the Intel Platform" on the "after 2014" bit.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I personally don't care about 90% of the things on the list but miss the point "improving the Delphi language".
ReplyDeleteImo that is one of the strong points of other languages that the Devs actually try to improve the language itself rather than building tons of components ontop of it. Because one day everyone will realize that the "I'm stuck in the 90s" diehards that don't need all the new language features will be retired and young people wonder why they have to write 10 lines of code to do something simple that is a clear one liner in other languages (and I am not talking about building games with FMX)
Fun fact: Just yesterday I was reading some comments from Nick Hodges from 2008 on SO where he was "bragging" about the fact they are holding the patent on class helpers. Well too bad they made almost nothing out of that (compared to C#).
I think that besides massive bug fixing & stability improvements, Emb should focus more on optimizing the compiled code in terms of speed and implementing the support for powerful parallel computing. I hoped these were coming in 2014 (XE7 at least), it appears not...unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Paul. Missed that bit.
ReplyDeleteStefan Glienke if I could +100 your post I would.
ReplyDeleteEven though we have anonymous methods in Delphi, it would be nicer if they could've added lambda expressions as well. Adding LINQ would be pretty cool too.
I'd love to see a better compiler as well. As long as I can syntax check as quickly as before, I'd be happy to wait for the build. Rtti tools for sets would be great. On mobile - posting more later.
ReplyDeleteClaudiu BARSAN-PIPU as far as I understand QPS (Quality, Performance, Stability), they would optimize. I wonder what is meant by "future version of desktop Windows that will be announced in 2014". AFAIK, no Windows versions either Desktop or Server is being cooked for 2014.
ReplyDeleteIlya S With rumors about "Windows 9" (Projectname: Threshold) release in 2015 (not so much rumor actually if you look at the Microsoft product roadmap) there will be some announcements this year for sure.
ReplyDeleteIlya S I do hope you are right and that they will actually stick to their QPS promise, but I have some doubts that they will make significant improvements on the Performance side... I sincerely wish that XE6 (or at least XE7) will prove me wrong on that, tust me, I really do.
ReplyDeletemy feeling: like when you open a programming book and the real fun stuff is on the appendices, the roadmap's "after 2014" items are way more desirable than the 2014 stuff...
ReplyDeleteFor me the main point of interest is, "A complete and simplified parallel computing library, to take advantage of modern multi-core CPUs more easily". I had hoped this would be part of XE6 - looks more like XE7 / 8.
ReplyDeleteAll the rest is interesting but of no immediate value.
It would help a lot if they modernized TMonitor before embarcadering on a new lib.
ReplyDeleteLars Fosdal "embarcadering"? Lol! That's gotta be added to urban dictionary :-P
ReplyDeletelike the tethering thing...could use that for sharing weather data from desktop program to mobile app
ReplyDeleteLars Fosdal Embarcadering (verb): The assimilation of 3rd party libraries while breaking them, often accompanied by dropping backwards compatibility and maintenance/support contracts :p
ReplyDeleteBut to be fair and serious: while we all like components and stuff to play with - please leave that to 3rd party component vendors and focus on things that cannot be done by others (i.e compiler, runtime, IDE). Let people help you that have knowledge of these things, they are not your enemies, they are happy to help improving the product.
The most interesting promise is the new parallel computing library (are they going to buy OmniThreadLibrary, I wonder?) And still no mention of Linux desktop support :-(
ReplyDelete64-bit IDE. I am having an Out of Memory fiesta today :(
ReplyDeleteLars Fosdal Most of them would not be any better on 64-bit, just maybe half an hour later :(
ReplyDeleteLars Fosdal What fun! I have that every day, while stuck in D2007.
ReplyDeleteWindows Phone is interesting, they had previously stated they weren't interested in that. Perhaps the decline of the Blackberry has shifted focus a bit. It's doing pretty well in the UK, be interesting to know more about that.
ReplyDeleteWhat about WinRT? :-(
ReplyDeleteDear Friends,
ReplyDeleteWhere is the BiDi support for FireMonkey desktop and mobile?
I think it could be on "Several run time library (RTL) improvements, implemented for all platforms and involving areas like XML processing, JSON processing, among others" section. Is it correct?
Your Sincerely
Mehdy Karimpour
Leonardo Herrera "Support for Windows 8 ARM/WinRT(for the Windows Phone and/or the Windows RT desktop) "
ReplyDeleteJason Sweby of course, I had to miss that. Bummer it's on the "whenever" list.
ReplyDelete"Easy-to-use Windows taskbar buttons component for VCL applications"
ReplyDeleteBeen there, done that :D
Stefan Glienke anyway new Windows versions support is currently in "After 2014" Embarcadero roadmap blob.
ReplyDeleteClaudiu BARSAN-PIPU I share your hopes in improvements of performance and easy-to-use parallel computing sides.
Ilya S You did read the disclaimer, did you? And you read the sentence directly below the "After 2014"?
ReplyDeleteAs written, QPS appears to be a new feature. :-|
ReplyDeleteStefan Glienke I did, of course, announcement is first, release next, and support is next next thing under no obligation :)
ReplyDeleteBill Meyer A feature of what edition I'd ask :)