From these voting results, embt marketing got it all wrong. Pricing the product for large enterprise companies, when small ISV (1-3 developers) are the largest market by far.
Are you talking about Delphi devs or just employees? I (currently) work as contractor in a non-tech manufacturing setting. The company has 500+ employees but there's effectively 2 delphi devs present, one's permanent, I'm a contractor. How do you want this counted?
Walter Prins Yes, I answered for the number of Delphi developers at my day job. The company is much larger than that. We are a strictly Delphi shop though - no other languages are used. I think another poll that specifies developers and another that specifies company size might be interesting.
Stefan Glienke So what's the point of making this pole then? There always seems an excuse for everything Delphi related. Not the right day of the week, high price because targets Enterprise only, audience is biased, bla bla bla. I'll be keeping an eye on this poll during the week to see if the votes actually change or not. If not, I wonder what other excuse is going to come up.
When did I mention FPC in this thread? And just so you know, my clients have products written in both Delphi and FPC, which I help maintain. So why can I not participate in Delphi discussions?
Graeme Geldenhuys If people have voted by number of devs, then by current votes Large (50+) have 350+ devs and ISV (if we count max of 3 licenses per ISV - not realistic) only have 222 developers.
It is hard to say where the real money is for Embarcadero.
Still it is interesting to see (not completely unexpected) that large number of Delphi developers are in smaller shops. Obviously this is market that should not be neglected.
It is hard seeing companies investing in Delphi for any new projects... I guess that, in practice, Delphi teams are mainly about 1. A small maintenance team of a legacy product inside a big company; or 2. an ISV with people skilled in Delphi (this G+ community target). I'm glad I am in a company which invest in Delphi for brand new projects - but it was not only about Delphi, but also about leveraging developers years of knowledge, and mORMot use for high performance server side process.
OK, so it's been 10 days and the poll hasn't changed much since my initial comment. Like I said, ISV's are the bulk of Delphi users - EMBT got their marketing all wrong. It was the thousands and thousands of small guys that made Turbo Pascal a success, and then the same for early Delphi versions.
For what's its worth, my company is still in its infancy and, while I founded it to be a Delphi shop, I'm finding increasingly difficult to stay that way. Bummer, as Delphi is my favorite development environment.
This poll should tell Idera everything they need to know about their true demographic. The needs of small biz/ISV are drastically different than the "enterprise". Their willingness to part with their money is also different.
microISV - 1 head. EMB should really focus on small companies, desktop development, personal productivity, compiler/language features. No enterprise stuff.
Our company has nearly a thousand non-tech employees but the software development department is small with only four of us actively coding.I suspect this is like many companies with Delphi development as internal company projects tend to live a long life.
I'd be interested in a poll based on licenses. As pointed out earlier if you have 100 single seats and 3 50 seat companies then you are more profitable to serve the three, both from a total revenue standpoint and a support. It's easier to support one large client than lots of smaller ones. It's a little riskier since losing one client is more disastrous, but it's a business model and one which Delphi seems to be pursuing.
We are primarily a Delphi shop, although we're still quite active with the typical web stuff (Javascript, HTML5, CSS3). I can safely say that 50% of our development efforts are in Delphi, with 35% web and 15% managed code (.NET and Java).
This company is still considered to be a startup (5 employees), so we had the luxury of deciding which language to focus on, and Delphi was a no-brainer. I'm glad we made the decision, because it's been the strongest reason why we've been out-maneuvering our competitors.
From these voting results, embt marketing got it all wrong. Pricing the product for large enterprise companies, when small ISV (1-3 developers) are the largest market by far.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys it is Sunday and I assume employees of most larger shops won't see this until Monday.
ReplyDeleteif we are an edge case, should we go for the lower or the higher?
ReplyDeleteRussell Weetch Please go with the lower choice.
ReplyDeleteNumber of Delphi developers, developers or employees?
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about Delphi devs or just employees? I (currently) work as contractor in a non-tech manufacturing setting. The company has 500+ employees but there's effectively 2 delphi devs present, one's permanent, I'm a contractor. How do you want this counted?
ReplyDeleteWalter Prins Yes, I answered for the number of Delphi developers at my day job. The company is much larger than that. We are a strictly Delphi shop though - no other languages are used. I think another poll that specifies developers and another that specifies company size might be interesting.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys And the audience of this vote is biased.
ReplyDeleteStefan Glienke So what's the point of making this pole then? There always seems an excuse for everything Delphi related. Not the right day of the week, high price because targets Enterprise only, audience is biased, bla bla bla. I'll be keeping an eye on this poll during the week to see if the votes actually change or not. If not, I wonder what other excuse is going to come up.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys I just stated a fact that you hardly can call an excuse. Any vote ever done here is biased.
ReplyDeleteP.S. I am really getting sick of you FPC guys constantly pestering us.
When did I mention FPC in this thread? And just so you know, my clients have products written in both Delphi and FPC, which I help maintain. So why can I not participate in Delphi discussions?
ReplyDeleteVery interesting results.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys If people have voted by number of devs, then by current votes Large (50+) have 350+ devs and ISV (if we count max of 3 licenses per ISV - not realistic) only have 222 developers.
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to say where the real money is for Embarcadero.
Still it is interesting to see (not completely unexpected) that large number of Delphi developers are in smaller shops. Obviously this is market that should not be neglected.
It is hard seeing companies investing in Delphi for any new projects... I guess that, in practice, Delphi teams are mainly about 1. A small maintenance team of a legacy product inside a big company; or 2. an ISV with people skilled in Delphi (this G+ community target).
ReplyDeleteI'm glad I am in a company which invest in Delphi for brand new projects - but it was not only about Delphi, but also about leveraging developers years of knowledge, and mORMot use for high performance server side process.
OK, so it's been 10 days and the poll hasn't changed much since my initial comment. Like I said, ISV's are the bulk of Delphi users - EMBT got their marketing all wrong. It was the thousands and thousands of small guys that made Turbo Pascal a success, and then the same for early Delphi versions.
ReplyDeleteFor what's its worth, my company is still in its infancy and, while I founded it to be a Delphi shop, I'm finding increasingly difficult to stay that way. Bummer, as Delphi is my favorite development environment.
ReplyDeleteThis poll should tell Idera everything they need to know about their true demographic. The needs of small biz/ISV are drastically different than the "enterprise". Their willingness to part with their money is also different.
ReplyDeletemicroISV - 1 head. EMB should really focus on small companies, desktop development, personal productivity, compiler/language features. No enterprise stuff.
ReplyDeleteHave you socialized this poll with the Delphi Linkedin groups?
ReplyDeleteOur company has nearly a thousand non-tech employees but the software development department is small with only four of us actively coding.I suspect this is like many companies with Delphi development as internal company projects tend to live a long life.
ReplyDeleteI'd be interested in a poll based on licenses. As pointed out earlier if you have 100 single seats and 3 50 seat companies then you are more profitable to serve the three, both from a total revenue standpoint and a support. It's easier to support one large client than lots of smaller ones.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little riskier since losing one client is more disastrous, but it's a business model and one which Delphi seems to be pursuing.
We are primarily a Delphi shop, although we're still quite active with the typical web stuff (Javascript, HTML5, CSS3). I can safely say that 50% of our development efforts are in Delphi, with 35% web and 15% managed code (.NET and Java).
ReplyDeleteThis company is still considered to be a startup (5 employees), so we had the luxury of deciding which language to focus on, and Delphi was a no-brainer. I'm glad we made the decision, because it's been the strongest reason why we've been out-maneuvering our competitors.