You can't imagine how much advertisement we are getting from this company at work... I really dislike this pseudo development tool but they are really good at marketing...
Argh when i read their advertise documents i always feel like reeding a Hairstylist-Magazin. I am not sure if i want to see peoples code if they jump right at this product just for this advertisement o.O
They're quite strong in France, dunno about internationally, their initial selling point was that the language was using french keywords rather than English keywords ("si ... alors" rather than "if ... then", etc.)
Eric Grange we have seen where that leads in MS Word, where the built in macro language was localized at some time. When was that? Sometime in the 90's. Such a stupid idea!
Eric Grange As an American, I only know about it because of French and German Internet users. So definitely not big here. On the other hand, Delphi is no longer big here either.
The bizarre thing about Embarcadero marketing is that there's precisely zero information about the language and no comparison to any other products. If you drill down deep enough, you get taken to SourceForge (reinforcing the "we're old" image) but there's no code anywhere on their site.
With Delphi there's no "This is why we're better than C#", "This is why we're better than Java", "This is why we're better than Visual Studio", etc. section. Even RealBASIC has a section about why you'd want to use it if you're a Java developer, C++, even Delphi. Same with Eiffel, including a section on where they think they're better than Delphi. D's wiki compares it to multiple languages, and there are some 3rd party pages that do that for Nim.
Embarcadero just gives you some screen shots and some marketing speak but nothing that really speaks to developers. Tell me why I want this more than Visual Studio or where FireMonkey outshines Qt or Xamarin. Even the marketing feels like it's only trying to sell upgrades to past Delphi users.
Embarcadero's website does pretty much everything you should not do if you want a fast site: long time to first byte (very very long sometimes), huge js dependencies in header, broken links, broken cache control, no cdn leveraging, lots of requests, security warnings, broken http headers ("Cteonnt-Length")...
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ReplyDeleteIts sad, but machism sells
ReplyDeleteYou can't imagine how much advertisement we are getting from this company at work... I really dislike this pseudo development tool but they are really good at marketing...
ReplyDeleteIt's not cheap though :)
ReplyDeleteA lot of people here in France knows about windev but don't about Delphi 😣
ReplyDeleteFirst Time I heard about it.
ReplyDeleteArgh when i read their advertise documents i always feel like reeding a Hairstylist-Magazin. I am not sure if i want to see peoples code if they jump right at this product just for this advertisement o.O
ReplyDeleteThey're quite strong in France, dunno about internationally, their initial selling point was that the language was using french keywords rather than English keywords ("si ... alors" rather than "if ... then", etc.)
ReplyDeleteIf only it supported LOLCODE ...
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE
HAI 1.2
CAN HAS STDIO?
PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"?
AWSUM THX
VISIBLE FILE
O NOES
INVISIBLE "ERROR!"
KTHXBYE
Eric Grange we have seen where that leads in MS Word, where the built in macro language was localized at some time. When was that? Sometime in the 90's. Such a stupid idea!
ReplyDeleteEric Grange As an American, I only know about it because of French and German Internet users. So definitely not big here. On the other hand, Delphi is no longer big here either.
ReplyDeleteThe bizarre thing about Embarcadero marketing is that there's precisely zero information about the language and no comparison to any other products. If you drill down deep enough, you get taken to SourceForge (reinforcing the "we're old" image) but there's no code anywhere on their site.
ReplyDeleteGo check out ceylon:
http://ceylon-lang.org/
Code on the front page and you can click on a tour or examples to learn about all the language features.
Beautiful walkthrough of the language:
http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/1.2/tour/basics/
D?
http://dlang.org/
Sample on the front page, drop-down examples, easy sidebar click to reference or a list of features:
http://dlang.org/comparison.html
Nim?
http://nim-lang.org/
Code on the front page showing off language features.
Ruby?
https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
Mode code on front page, try it in your browser, and a great "about" section.
C#?
https://www.visualstudio.com/features/net-development-vs
Actual code and discussion of language of features.
Haxe?
http://haxe.org/
Code and a link to learn more about the language features:
http://haxe.org/documentation/introduction/language-features.html
That right there is what Delphi is missing.
With Delphi there's no "This is why we're better than C#", "This is why we're better than Java", "This is why we're better than Visual Studio", etc. section. Even RealBASIC has a section about why you'd want to use it if you're a Java developer, C++, even Delphi. Same with Eiffel, including a section on where they think they're better than Delphi. D's wiki compares it to multiple languages, and there are some 3rd party pages that do that for Nim.
Embarcadero just gives you some screen shots and some marketing speak but nothing that really speaks to developers. Tell me why I want this more than Visual Studio or where FireMonkey outshines Qt or Xamarin. Even the marketing feels like it's only trying to sell upgrades to past Delphi users.
I would settle for same speed of the internet site...
ReplyDeleteEmbarcadero's website does pretty much everything you should not do if you want a fast site: long time to first byte (very very long sometimes), huge js dependencies in header, broken links, broken cache control, no cdn leveraging, lots of requests, security warnings, broken http headers ("Cteonnt-Length")...
ReplyDeleteEric Grange So basically, they better not write "this website was built with one of our products" anywhere...right? ;)
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