Microsoft to acquire Xamarin, How much that will affect Delphi at the long term?
Microsoft to acquire Xamarin, How much that will affect Delphi at the long term?
http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/02/24/microsoft-to-acquire-xamarin-and-empower-more-developers-to-build-apps-on-any-device/
http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/02/24/microsoft-to-acquire-xamarin-and-empower-more-developers-to-build-apps-on-any-device/
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ReplyDeletepeers into crystal ball, squints, shrugs
ReplyDeleteI still think Amazon should buy Delphi.
ReplyDeleteJavier Hernández You will get the starter for free but I cannot believe that they will give the yearly subscription up for free.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very smart move by Microsoft to get the Visual Studio into the iOS / Android areas even faster and better with C#.
Richard Baroniunas C#...😡
ReplyDeleteRoar Grønmo I second that !!!!
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ReplyDeleteThe myth that VS is free is gaining some traction here I think.
ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado The "myth" is from Microsoft - the community edition is free for some (check the conditions on their site).
ReplyDeleteI guess Xamarin will follow the same rules as VS
I could never use VS for free in any company I've been working for in the last 15 years
ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado You are on something if I am reading your message correctly, Microsoft is giving away VS 2015 Community but for some reason they do not go out and promote it that much, they also do what they are best at which is giving a foggy overview of why bother with purchasing a license (VS Pro) any longer.
ReplyDeleteThis is a victory if you are a big MS house but if you are already on MSDN you are getting all the tools you need anyway that is the reason for the high cost.
Anyway, maybe Microsoft will make Xamarin as successful as Nokia mobile division they bought a few years ago... oops! wait!
ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado And because of that personal fact of you the free edition is a myth?
ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado Oops somebody doesn't like Microsoft ?
ReplyDeleteMy take: It validates the direction that Delphi has taken in the past few years.
ReplyDeleteRichard Baroniunas There is no personal "feelings" involved. I'm talking about recent MS acquisitions: (1) Nokia - catastrophic outcome from any point of view. (2) Yammer - Do you even know if it is alive? (3) Skype - well this one is still alive but I don't know for how long. Skype for business is a piece of junk (seems to be rewritten from scratch) and MS may eventually replace normal skype with this crap.
ReplyDeleteSo, forgive me if I don't live in the fantasy land where MS buys companies and make better products instead of killing them.
Oliver Münzberg I'm not saying that there is not a free - and limited by the license - edition of VS. I'm just saying it in advance before the "Delphi is dying team" comes up with the "oh now we will have VS + Xamarin for free", which is not true for most professional developers (unless it is really a one man shop or a startup in very early stages).
ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado Chill I was joking.
ReplyDeleteMicrosoft tends to throw something at the wall to see if it sticks, alot of times it doesnt such as OS Bob, XBox One, Vista, Windows Phone, etc.
The community package is a freebie and it does work but Rad Studio is a great tool to work with.
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ReplyDeleteAlexandre Machado link it to high expectations... and the facts that Nokia put its stakes to the wrong operatingsystem in the late 00s.
ReplyDeleteXamarin is cool but Embarcadero has Firemonkey \o/
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nick Hodges . I am worried though - I was using Xamarin on and off for skunkworks stuff for 3 years (I have an active business sub for iOS and Android) and it is very, very good. I expect MS will make it something you get for free as part of MSDN, or via a professional VS license, and I suspect that at best you might get the 'indie' Xamarin license with VS Community. They're not going to give you everything for free with Community.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible that they even give you all the MS platforms for 'free' but require some kind of licensing payment for iOS/Android (for example) - obviously there are several ways they can go.
The positive outlook for Delphi is that the Xamarin stuff is pretty good and widely used, so hopefully Idera will see this as a vote of confidence in the general cross-platform compiled apps concept and pump some money into making FMX better.
The negative outlook is that Idera only bought the Emba dev stuff because it came with the other DB stuff that they really wanted, and that they spin Delphi off elsewhere (again) or leave it to die off - especially if it's facing renewed, tougher competition. Nobody ever got fired for buying MS (etc).
Having been really stoked about Xamarin since it was a bunch of Mono libraries, paying a subscription for it when it became closed-source, and recently having to take on a Delphi/FireMonkey role (and buy a new copy of Delphi Ultimate etc etc), I'm a bit conflicted. I don't mind FireMonkey, but I loved Xamarin.
Nick Hodges Sort of. Xamarin uses the native controls.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens if they (Microsoft) have all free for Windows in Xamarin, but payed license for Android/Apple ? Would have been interesting in the effort to get Nokia up again (in Windows) ?
ReplyDeleteRoar Grønmo I have a sneaking suspicion that's what they'll do. Or at least, some variant of you paying extra to get what they currently call 'business' onto the big 2 platforms.
ReplyDeleteEli M
ReplyDeleteOr IBM?
Hur Akdulger https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=675994
ReplyDeleteRob Uttley such as 'forced' Admob, where we won't benefit. ..
ReplyDeleteAt the moment it's just speculation of what Microsoft will do with Xamarin. I'll wait and see what will be said at BUILD on March 29, 2016, before guessing on what Microsoft is going to do. Scott Guthrie did say to watch the keynotes.
ReplyDeleteNadella has said that MS will support multiple platforms, not only Microsoft ones. That's why game companies bought by MS are still creating games for PS, not only for XBOX. The difference is: Xamarin in a free edition of Visual Studio generates no revenue while PS4 games generate millions of dollars in revenue. At the same time Xamarin in VS will probably kill the few remaining Windows phones out there, unless MS thinks that once you have a working Xamarin application for Android and iPhone you will also have a Windows Phone application ready, but things are not that easy...
ReplyDeleteI got this email from MS re the bridge (a bit OT I know):Thank you for your interest in the Windows Bridges developer preview programs. Since Build last year, we have received a lot of feedback from many of you that having two Bridge technologies to bring code from mobile operating systems to Windows was unnecessary, and the choice between them could be confusing. You told us that the iOS Bridge architecture, using a middleware SDK-based approach rather than the Android Bridge's emulation-based approach, provides a significantly better mechanism for integrating code with Windows and enhancing it for each device.
ReplyDeleteConsequently, as we have carefully considered this feedback, we have decided that we would focus on the Windows Bridge for iOS and make it the single Bridge option for bringing mobile code to all Windows 10 devices, including Xbox and PCs. Please refer to today's blog post by Kevin Gallo for more details.
To those developers who spent time evaluating the Android Bridge, we appreciate your work and feedback. Thanks for helping us make the right choice. We look forward to receiving additional feedback as you work on your Universal Windows Platform apps. As a reminder, here are some of the ways you can accelerate bringing your existing code to Windows:
Brian Hamilton will this say they ditched the Android Bridge ?
ReplyDeleteRoar Grønmo, they had an Android emulator, not bridge as they did with iOS
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