Nick Hodges Thanks Nick. I am trying to decide if I should wait. I was just getting ready to do the current update, when I saw the email this morning. I want to be current, but it is a lot of work if update 2 is a reinstall (the email seemed to indicate the next update is on the horizon). I would be thankful for any info you are allowed to provide.
David Millington My fav Linux distro is getting a new version Nov. 16. I can upgrade the OS and every installed piece of software in place in one go while the system is running! Surely EMBT can do a little bit better... at least embrace the concept of diff files or something.
With JetBrains IDEs, updates happen in place. With new versions you download and install to a new location and it imports the old settings when you start up. If all goes well, you can then delete the old copy. If something goes wrong or you want to test out the new version first, the old copy is still there. There's no manual exporting, no migration tool, no needing to reinstall IDE plugins, etc.
People shouldn't be losing their settings or needing to spend four hours to rebuild an installation after attempting an update, as people complained about on Marco's blog when update 1 came out. Joe C. Hecht shouldn't need to juggle options about scheduling an update and people shouldn't be dreading it with trepidation and fear that they might lose something. An update shouldn't be "a lot of work". Not for a $40 product, and certainly not for a $1400 product.
A person who used to work with Apple's design team was asked what he learned during his time there, and he summed it up in one beautiful sentence: "Pursue a level of craftsmanship that inspires passion."
Instead of Marco telling us on his blog that updating is hard, or hearing about "quick" uninstall/reinstall cycles, how about someone saying:
"We hear and listen to the needs and concerns of our customers. We will never again try to convince customers that their problems aren't real. We resolve to make the update process for Delphi as smooth, fast and worry-free as possible, including being the best update process of any IDE. We will issue a statement within a week about our plans to do so, along with a firm timeline. In the meantime, we stand by to work with you through any issues you may have. Thank you for sticking with us despite these issues. We appreciate your loyalty."
Joseph Mitzen We are listening and are definitely aiming for it to be better. The whole GetIt installer is significantly better than the old install, and installing the update is incredibly fast compared to how it was with the old technology. It's interesting that Visual Studio is now doing the same thing, after we started! I hear you re keeping configuration - that was a clear bug in update 1.
I don't personally see a problem with installing also uninstalling as it happens so long as the end result isn't noticeable to the user and the overall experience is slick. (We're working on that. Can't comment more.) Diffs are fine, but don't forget RAD Studio is significantly complex, and running diffs might cause issues. Maybe it's less reliable. Maybe it's much slower! When we choose a solution, we do try to choose the best one.
David Millington I know too well that it was not a good bug. I was lucky that by means of a restore point on my windows backup I could limit the harm when I installed Update 1 with GetIt. After that I used the ISO without any problems.
If you use the GetIt installer (hint hint), the uninstall/reinstall cycle is very fast.
ReplyDeleteJoe C. Hecht Is it already available?
ReplyDeleteHorácio Filho -- Update 2 is not yet available.
ReplyDeleteDon't use Migration Tool! This $%&*@! tool damaged my installation of Berlin Upd1 (after import settings from older version)
ReplyDeleteGregor Kobler But if your Delphi installation is not on c: it will fail!
ReplyDeleteGregor Kobler Of course, I know, and ...so what? Delphi was dead...
ReplyDeleteDavid Millington ISO download and reinstall update for me :)
ReplyDeleteGregor Kobler With many experts installed?
ReplyDeleteNick Hodges Thanks Nick. I am trying to decide if I should wait. I was just getting ready to do the current update, when I saw the email this morning. I want to be current, but it is a lot of work if update 2 is a reinstall (the email seemed to indicate the next update is on the horizon). I would be thankful for any info you are allowed to provide.
ReplyDeleteDavid Millington That's like saying it kills you gently.
ReplyDeleteDavid Millington My fav Linux distro is getting a new version Nov. 16. I can upgrade the OS and every installed piece of software in place in one go while the system is running! Surely EMBT can do a little bit better... at least embrace the concept of diff files or something.
ReplyDeleteWith JetBrains IDEs, updates happen in place. With new versions you download and install to a new location and it imports the old settings when you start up. If all goes well, you can then delete the old copy. If something goes wrong or you want to test out the new version first, the old copy is still there. There's no manual exporting, no migration tool, no needing to reinstall IDE plugins, etc.
People shouldn't be losing their settings or needing to spend four hours to rebuild an installation after attempting an update, as people complained about on Marco's blog when update 1 came out. Joe C. Hecht shouldn't need to juggle options about scheduling an update and people shouldn't be dreading it with trepidation and fear that they might lose something. An update shouldn't be "a lot of work". Not for a $40 product, and certainly not for a $1400 product.
A person who used to work with Apple's design team was asked what he learned during his time there, and he summed it up in one beautiful sentence: "Pursue a level of craftsmanship that inspires passion."
Instead of Marco telling us on his blog that updating is hard, or hearing about "quick" uninstall/reinstall cycles, how about someone saying:
"We hear and listen to the needs and concerns of our customers. We will never again try to convince customers that their problems aren't real. We resolve to make the update process for Delphi as smooth, fast and worry-free as possible, including being the best update process of any IDE. We will issue a statement within a week about our plans to do so, along with a firm timeline. In the meantime, we stand by to work with you through any issues you may have. Thank you for sticking with us despite these issues. We appreciate your loyalty."
Joseph Mitzen We are listening and are definitely aiming for it to be better. The whole GetIt installer is significantly better than the old install, and installing the update is incredibly fast compared to how it was with the old technology. It's interesting that Visual Studio is now doing the same thing, after we started! I hear you re keeping configuration - that was a clear bug in update 1.
ReplyDeleteI don't personally see a problem with installing also uninstalling as it happens so long as the end result isn't noticeable to the user and the overall experience is slick. (We're working on that. Can't comment more.) Diffs are fine, but don't forget RAD Studio is significantly complex, and running diffs might cause issues. Maybe it's less reliable. Maybe it's much slower! When we choose a solution, we do try to choose the best one.
David Millington
ReplyDeleteYou mean Update 2 with the GetIt installer will keep my configuration? Or do I still need to use the migration tool?
Markus Joos Can't really comment on that, but it was not a good bug :)
ReplyDeleteDavid Millington
ReplyDeleteI know too well that it was not a good bug. I was lucky that by means of a restore point on my windows backup I could limit the harm when I installed Update 1 with GetIt. After that I used the ISO without any problems.
Do you mean that "radstudio10_1_upd1_esd.exe" will install Rad Studio 10.1 Update 2 ?
ReplyDeleteStéphane Wierzbicki When we release update 2, it will have its own EXE, probably named "upd2".
ReplyDeletewhen berlin upd2 released?
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