Hi everyone!
Hi everyone!
Do you guys with a Delphi subscription see the price increasing every year?
I have many subscription with other vendors and the price is always the same every year. But with Delphi is the opposite.
Thanks for your feedback.
Do you guys with a Delphi subscription see the price increasing every year?
I have many subscription with other vendors and the price is always the same every year. But with Delphi is the opposite.
Thanks for your feedback.
The 4% price increase is mentioned in the FAQ:
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"After the first year, you may renew your subscription at the current rate. This rate is about a 4% increase from the previous year but is subject to change."
Given a steady increase in everyday prices in most of our living environment, a static price for a subscription seems quite unnatural to me.
Thank you Uwe Raabe! Didn't read that info.
ReplyDeleteBut that's not usual. 4% every year and soon every one is paying full price...
In my case, this year the increase is 10%.
My DevExpress subscription is the same price since I can remember.
Instead of beeing cheaper than last year ...
ReplyDeleteI feel the same as you +Luis Madaleno.
For me, mostly I get calls, 20 seonds of static, and they hang up, or messages of blank air. Sometimes, I get someone who perhaps cannot english speak well or, perhaps just using a bad voip connection (then I hang up). It feels like an offshore call center with what looks to be an Austin phone number. I gotta do something quick, before the thing expires (and I get taken on that). Wish they would just send a quote as in years past (nothing yet). Does not seem to be a good way to sell the product. 4%.more? But what about the free style sheets, 22% off today, 52% tommorrow? Hmmm. I just want fixes for known product defects. I don't need incidents... it already is one. I need easy and quick renewal. Can't find the link for that. I'm just a confused customer, trying to code, and getting inturupted with calls with nothing on the other end of the call. Ohhh.
ReplyDeleteJust did a quick check and my Architect subscription increased by 4% constantly since I started it in 2009. It is still less than 20% of the current full price and even about 25% of that for an update. Perhaps the full and update price are not constant either?
ReplyDeleteShort check to another IDE: IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
ReplyDelete€ 499.00
/1st year
€ 399.00
/2nd year
€ 299.00
/3rd yr onwards
Krasimir Ivanov every other subscription I have does not increase the price.
ReplyDeleteThis is insane. And 10% more this year?!?!
Luis Madaleno Could it be that they silently added the Premium support to your subscription quote? Ask them to remove that then.
ReplyDeleteUwe Raabe might be right about the "Premium Support", they tried that dirty trick on me which nearly made me cancel my subscription.
ReplyDeleteThat's still insane.... My subscription increased and Tokyo is taking dust.... ( Android :( )
ReplyDeleteStéphane Wierzbicki I wonder how people would react when they receive a new quote mentioning: "This year we reduced the subscription price because we plan to introduce some heavy bugs into the release making it unusable."
ReplyDeleteUwe Raabe I've paid (well, to be fair, my firm paid it) for a product that I cannot use. Android support is far from being correct and a lot of things are still broken on Android >= 4.x.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, what kind of company can settle so much time without correcting this bugs... What kind of message do they leave ? Don't get me wrong but you cannot defend this.
Uwe Raabe No. The quote doesn't mention anything else.
ReplyDeleteDelphi Professional - Named Support Renewal
(25/Sep/2017- 24/Sep/2018)
403,43€
Stéphane Wierzbicki I ask my self this same question every year.
ReplyDeleteStill not using Tokyo because of the bugs. Using Berlin.
I am paying for something I do not use.
Stéphane Wierzbicki I am not going to defend this. Your comment gave the impression that the subscription price is to high for what they delivered, which implies that what they delivered would be OK if it just were a bit cheaper.
ReplyDeleteStill not using Tokyo either. Is this the point where Idera took over, other updates were already in the pipe line?
ReplyDeleteUwe Raabe a bad product at $1 is still a bad product.
ReplyDeleteMy complaint is with the 10% increase in the subscription price YOY.
Regarding the value of the product is another matter.
I think these increases have an end point, but I can tell you that devexpress did not add Fire Monkey, or Linux support features. I really get your concerns, but Delphi is adding platforms, controls, etc. DevExpress is adding controls and fixing bugs. No, stop raising the price please.
ReplyDeleteUwe Raabe the problem for us in South Africa (and some other countries) is the exchange rate, it has become too expensive to justify lately, especially if you have to get more than one license.
ReplyDeleteI pay much less to Microsoft for Visual Studio Pro and a ton of other software.
ReplyDeleteI only use Delphi to maintain legacy software that I still update.
New projects are not done in Delphi. So it keeps getting more difficult to justify the cost.
Attila Kovacs Because I still update it and I still hope that Delphi becomes a great IDE again.
ReplyDeleteAttila Kovacs Delphi was only reliable as an IDE since this new version 10. Before that was a messy package of bugs.
ReplyDeleteI had to constantly exit the IDE and start again. Bugs, crashes and so on.
So after all the money I paid after Delphi 7, it's been a huge pain.
Between Delphi 7 and Delphi 10 it was a nightmare.
And for those doing mobile apps with, it I believe it still is.
I do not use FireMonkey but I suspect it still is not at 100%, hence DevExpress still not in that path.
And talking about evolution, one just needs to take a look at RemObjects and what they did with Oxygene. So many awesome features that they implemented in their version of the language.
Object Pascal in Delphi didn't have any MAJOR improvement over the last few years.
Delphi is still by far the best and most productive tool for creating windows desktop applications, hopefully it will also become one for Mac OSX especially with new innovations such as CrossVCL. Delphi is a unique tool set, whether the current owners have the ability and the will to continue to make it successful is another matter.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I paid:
ReplyDelete2015 > 354.35€
2016 > 372.40€ (after some negotiation and 5% discount)
2017 > 403.43€
Compared to what you guys pay what do you think?
Gerhard Venter hear, hear. The cheapest, discount Professional edition is about 5x minimum wages here. Enterprise is about 7x, and enterprise is about 10x. This is taking into account the current 25% discount.
ReplyDeleteUwe Raabe "Given a steady increase in everyday prices in most of our living environment, a static price for a subscription seems quite unnatural to me."
ReplyDeleteYou'd hate JetBrains then. :-) Heck, in 2016 they *lowered* the price of their IDEs for individuals by $10USD. Their subscription price model has also stayed the same since they introduced it in 2015. Their all-access price didn't change either once they rolled out their new C# IDE.
Herbert Sauro "hopefully it will also become one for Mac OSX " It's hard to imagine OS X users choosing to use Windows to develop OS X software on. Similarly for Linux software. So long as the IDE is Windows-only it's going to hamper adoption among those primarily interesting in developing for OS X or Linux.
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