Have you registered at https://en.delphipraxis.net yet?
Have you registered at https://en.delphipraxis.net yet?
If you haven't migrated your daily Delphi browsing to Delphi-PRAXiS yet, you should. The reason is that this G+ Community will be closed for posting well in time before it ceases to exist.
Instructions for signing up can be found here:
https://plus.google.com/+LarsFosdal/posts/ibgZ7RC7m3j
Previous pinned post:
https://plus.google.com/+LarsFosdal/posts/4YjUULnHJcr
If you haven't migrated your daily Delphi browsing to Delphi-PRAXiS yet, you should. The reason is that this G+ Community will be closed for posting well in time before it ceases to exist.
Instructions for signing up can be found here:
https://plus.google.com/+LarsFosdal/posts/ibgZ7RC7m3j
Previous pinned post:
https://plus.google.com/+LarsFosdal/posts/4YjUULnHJcr
I've even registered although I don't use Delphi ;-) But want to stay updated with the current developments in the Delphi community.
ReplyDeleteTo those that won't - may I ask why not?
ReplyDeleteAs explained earlier I don't want to add another forum to pull infos from...and I'll miss the way G+ use the most part of the screen to display communities infos (with nice pictures by Bruno Bellamy BTW)...the default presentation of DelphiPraxis if full of nothing.
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Paul TOTH So what do you do when this community is gone?
ReplyDeleteBTW: This is the look when you look at the default "Unread" stream - and you can tweak that to your liking, f.x by excluding sub-forums you have no interest in. Also - you can choose to extract this stream and a large number of others as RSS and put it into feedly.
https://plus.google.com/photos/...
Lars Fosdal I don't know where I'll go, I'm already active on a french forum (developpez.com) with the same drawback. I'm ok for a social network with a section about Delphi but FB isn't an alternative, so there's a place for something else and nature hates emptyness :D
ReplyDeletePaul TOTH Well, emptiness is optional. It all boils down to how you exploit the options available. DP works very well on mobile too.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to do a petition to all that still don't have migrate:
ReplyDeletePlease, migrate soon!
The conversation, without you, is not to be the same!
We are going to miss you!
Please, come!
https://en.delphipraxis.net
(Or at least, explain Lars why not, to treat to correct what is bad)
https://plus.google.com/photos/...
I have not decided on the final close-down date yet, but sooner is more likely than later. It will give me an incentive to finally leave G+ behind me, instead of clinging to it.
ReplyDeleteThe en.delphipraxis.net activity stream is terrible. The way it combines main posts with comments on the original post turns it into a bunch of noise. The RSS feed has the same problem. No list of original posts that doesn't also include comments/responses. Attempts at using the filters to do it have failed.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask why not MeWe? It looks to me more like G+. The advantage is that you have others groups in one place/app.
ReplyDeleteEli M that's the biggest reason I hardly use forums.
ReplyDeleteDave A. C. The primary reason is that MeWe posts are fenced in and not publicly viewable or searchable through search engines.
ReplyDeleteThen there is the lack of post categories within a group. There has been talk about limiting tags to a selection made by the group owner, but that would be very limiting, and still not the same as post categories.
Eli M I'm raising that with the DP owner to see if it is something that can be configured, or if it requires a feature request to the Invision people.
ReplyDeleteI found that each forum has a RSS feed that does what is needed. But 19 RSS downloads to get everything every time. https://en.delphipraxis.net/forum/28-fmx.xml/
ReplyDeleteEli M and RSS is not an API
ReplyDeletesuperuser.com - What are the common URL parameters I can use against an RSS feed?
This plugin claims to add the needed functionality: invisioncommunity.com - (NB41) RSS Feed - ALL Forum Topics
ReplyDeleteI migrated but I’m still hoping a reconsideration of the platform. Migrating from G+ to DP is like going back from version 4.0 to 1.0.
ReplyDeleteGustavo Ricardi Proper source code formatting, multiple images per post, attachments, fast, a good team of active moderators, tags, many of the component and plug in authors, search engine indexed, viewable without a login, and a mobile version that works,. Hello, version 5. If you find version 6, please do tell.
ReplyDeleteLars Fosdal yes I understand the bunch of ‘new’ features. But it still feels like going backward. I’m sorry just telling you what it looks like to me as one end-user.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you prefer when you listen music: A good lyric that make you think or a good music that makes very nice the moment.
ReplyDeleteI think, that in https://en.delphipraxis.net, can have good lyrics since now. And the music?. Step by step.
Bad what is true is that 31th August 2019 google plus turn off his music.
silence
The only thing I do not like of MeWe is the chat.
ReplyDeletePeople tends to use it like the like a whatsapp group.
Instead of think in conversations arround a problem, idea or proposal, in a whatsapp group the continuous merged conversations are like a chicken yard.
I have some good whatsapp groups with a very interesting conversations, like for 3D Printing. But, really I preffer "Post / Responses" style.
In the other characteristics of MeWe I basically agree with the things expossed here. And I like it.
But thinking in Music, do not forget the lyrics, please.
Juan C. Cilleruelo G+ will close, but forums exists since longer than G+, so I think that there's a reason why this group was made on G+ instead of a forum ;)
ReplyDeletePaul TOTH
ReplyDeleteI understand then that the group is important for you.
When Google plus closes, the group mute.
Come to https://en.delphipraxis.net, with the group and we can continue this conversation, maybe beyond 31h August 2019.
;)
Paul TOTH I made the Delphi Developers group because at that time, the official forums were bad in more ways than one. I was very frustrated with the unproductive climate in non-tech.
ReplyDeleteIt happened on G+ because communities were just added to G+ by Google. It would not have happened if I were to set up my own forums, because I know by experience how much work running a forum can be. Keeping up with patches, stopping the spammers, moderating the unruly bunch of opinionated coders.
There were 5 mods here from various timezones to help with the spam, but I was the one to police the no-biz-politics line. By driving a hard line from the start, I think it worked out fairly well. Not perfect, as we are human, but on topic and reasonably focused.
I really missed proper formatting, though :P
DP has proved themselves capable of running a stable service, and has a solution and a team that keeps the spam under control.
Would I have preferred to stay on G+? Yes! But that option is not on the table.
ReplyDeleteI still can't see any official statement from google what will happen so burning up the bridges is too early.
ReplyDeleteAlso, as many of us, including me, already said, it's just a forum with a horrible design, "titles", etc.. The only plus is the activity feed, but it's just a plus for a forum and not comparable with g+.
Also, (and please excuse me for the metaphor, but it is as it is) we not just moved, but we got a brand new army of hungry sheep dogs, which I can't really understand.
Looks like (for me) you are not anymore interested to run the community.
Either lack of interest/time or you just sold us. This is how I feel ATM.
blog.google - Project Strobe: Protecting your data, improving our third-party APIs, and sunsetting consumer Google+
ReplyDeleteAll the world can read the Action 1 point.
At the penultimate paragraph of this point, says when.
Attila Kovacs if I was not committed, would I be here to usher people on? Would I be admin at DP?
ReplyDeleteI sold you out? That is a fucking insult that I won't forget easily.
Do what you want. I'm not here to insult you, you asked what we think. Here is my opinion. Don't like it? Don't ask.
ReplyDeleteAnd just for the record, it feels like. I know that you didn't.
Don't like what I am doing for the community? Move elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteThere is no elsewhere so I'll rather go with no own opinion at all.
ReplyDeleteI actually like the DP forums. I (like most of you) have grown up on forums (NNTP, I even wrote an NNTP server years ago for the Italian user group) and I think forums are better container for development topics. I like the modern features the DP software has (even tags and notifications).
ReplyDeleteSocial network have a more wide coverage of people but lacks a lot of basic functionalities (code formatting on top of every other)...
This seams to BE a Nice alternativa
ReplyDeletehttps://www.reddit.com/r/delphi
reddit.com - r/delphi
The reddit does seem to be a better alternative in my opinion since it behaves much like G+. I didnt know it existed.
ReplyDeleteNice or bad, if that will become the main place for the new community, everyone (sooner or later) will move there anyway ;)
ReplyDeleteJosé Morango
ReplyDeleteSeems a fake group, true?
Speaks about 1.3K subscribers but all the entries have been made by the administrators, as links to old news on youtube and third-party blogs, and in the last days.
A low level of quality activity in my opinion.
personally i prefer Reddit,
ReplyDeletereddit.com - r/delphi
I've been hosting private NNTP newsgroups for over 10 years. By private, I mean no upstream news feeds. I am more than happy to host a delphi.xyz section. Group communication is the best with NNTP... That is what it was designed for. Perfect formatting of messages, no adds, use your preferred news client, offline reading and replying etc.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys I loved NNTP but somehow it seems to be unknown by young developers. It would require a web frontend however... (and responsive for mobile also).
ReplyDeleteI really hope the Delphi community will keep together and not fragment just because this or that communication platform... Content and people are much more important than the platform so I hope you all will move to DP as the G+ community officially switched there.
Andrea Magni I already have a responsive web front end to my NNTP server, but I installed that simply as a "fallback". The primary usage should be via a real NNTP client. Tons exists for PC and Mobile devices.
ReplyDeleteYes, new generation do not seem to know about NNTP and try and reinvent the wheel with Web forums that have terrible search, no hierarchical view of conversions, adds and lots of other noise. NNTP is a no-nonsense group communication that just works.
Plus, you can use the acclaimed XanaNews client, written in Delphi. ;-) [Which I am the current maintainer.]
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys I should still have sources of my NNTP server written in Kylix years ago. Think what could happen if we join efforts: NNTP server + NNTP client + some REST addition to provide a Web interface and possibly a mobile app. 90% would be Delphi powered :-D (100% if we'd use TMS WebCore for the web frontend). ExtJS as a fronted would be another option.
ReplyDeleteAndrea Magni That would be cool and a great conversation starter. The original author of XanaNews also implemented a news server (using excellent Indy components), but I've never used it. My server runs FreeBSD. FPC could also be used to implement everything in a cross platform way. I have been thinking about porting XanaNews to Lazarus for cross platform support (currently using XanaNews under FreeBSD via WINE, which works very well too, but I prefer native applications). I guess one could look a FMX too, though I've never used it before, and it doesn't support Linux/FreeBSD.
ReplyDeleteGraeme Geldenhuys There is a FMXLinux opportunity to add Linux as a target platform for FMX UI applications (covering thus Windows, OSX, Linux for desktop and Android/iOS for mobile). For the backend there are more options available (considering cost/attended performance and platform/architecture compatibility)... Nice to dream about this 😉
ReplyDeleteahmed altayib ahmed > personally i prefer Reddit,
ReplyDeleteInitially I thought reddit was pretty nice, but I hate the artificial limitations they apply. eg: I can't reply to a 7 month old post because it became "automatically archived"??? Why? What's the benefit of that? I might have joined a group today, so wasn't there 7 months ago, and is 7 months really that long ago?
NNTP newsgroups that don't expire is the only way to go. That's how I run my news server (nntp://geldenhuys.co.uk). Conversations become a knowledge base. eg: tiOPF's support newsgroup has 17 years of conversation history, and some of that is still useful today for new users to tiOPF (eg: search the archives before posting a duplicate question).
And what about Telegram? It nice
ReplyDeleteEli M Jeroen Wiert Pluimers Eric Grange Try out the new rss feeds and say what you think?
ReplyDeletehttps://en.delphipraxis.net/topic/133-rss-feeds-for-new-posts
en.delphipraxis.net - RSS feeds for new posts ?
I wish there was an app with notifications. I quite like praxis, but I tend to use my phone for this sort of thing and G+ not that.
ReplyDeleteI would also prefer reddit. I like to see pictures in the post, and not all comments at one glance.
ReplyDeleteMarkus Ja : Oh that would be great! Oh wait, you could do all that and more since the early 90's via NNTP news clients. And amazingly, you can still do that today. ;-) Nah, that's too easy, lets reinvent the wheel instead. :-)
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